“The question is how dark it’s going to get”

“People keep hoping and hoping. And then suddenly there’s a phase transition, and the doors slam shut. We’ll stay away for a few years and see what happens.”

Lynn Nadel
“I’m of Jewish descent. It’s hard not to think of Europe in the 1930s when I see what’s happening in America today." Lynn Nadel says.
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Lynn Nadel, professor of psychology and a leading figure in cognitive neuroscience, speaks with the weight of decades in academia. He worked closely with John O’Keefe for many years; in 1978 they co-authored The Hippocampus as a Cognitive Map. In 2014, O’Keefe won the Nobel Prize together with May-Britt and Edvard Moser. 

Nadel has spent his life in science, much of it outside the U.S. Now he and his wife are in Trondheim, visiting longtime research colleagues and keeping up with developments at the Kavli Institute. They will return to America once their stay is over, but not for long. 

“We’ve applied for a long-term visa to Australia, where our daughter lives. For now, that’s where we intend to stay,” he explains. 

The Nadels have many children and grandchildren, and he is actively trying to persuade all of them to leave the U.S. 

“America is deeply divided. Civil war is now a real possibility. Things could turn ugly – fascism is not out of the question. Something like Argentina in its darkest years. On top of insane polarization, more and more people are arming themselves. That alone is reason enough to leave,” Nadel warns. 

“You don’t want to wait until the worst has already happened.” 

“Two nations living in separate realities” 

The United States, he says, has effectively become two separate countries, living in different realities, guided by opposing values of what is ethically acceptable. 

“If it were physically possible to split the two nations geographically—like India and Pakistan after partition—I think we’d already see a movement in that direction. But people are too mixed together. Blue people live in red states, and vice versa.”

UA spoke with Lynn Nadel because he has been organizing and motivating faculty at American universities to push back against Trump and the MAGA movement’s assault on higher education. He makes no secret of how bleak he sees the situation—and insists it’s not just about Trump. 

“Donald Trump is not responsible for the situation America finds itself in. He’s not even the main explanation,” says Nadel. 

The roots go back decades: failing schools, staggering inequality. 

“Thirty to forty percent of Americans live literally paycheck to paycheck. Our education levels are far below Europe’s. We fight wars across the globe—some for the right reasons, but many for the wrong ones. What Trump has done is accelerate the worst tendencies in our national character. But those traits were there long before him.” 

“Moronic, with an uncanny ability to manipulate” 

So how does a psychologist and neuroscientist describe Donald Trump as a person? 

“He is sui generis—a unique character. Intellectually, he’s moronic. He doesn’t read, not even the briefs he’s given as president. He doesn’t care about new information, seems incapable of changing his mind. His views and ideas are entirely shaped by the circles he’s moved in. But politically, in the emotional arena, he’s very effective. He has an uncanny ability to manipulate people emotionally,” Nadel observes. 

MAGA supporters see universities as hotbeds of liberalism, wokeness, and leftist ideas. Is there some truth to that? 

“That attitudes grouped under woke have clashed with MAGA positions on campuses—I can believe that. Sometimes in clumsy ways. But it should surprise no one that 80 to 90 percent of faculty lean liberal. That’s what education does: it opens minds to more liberal perspectives on the world. That’s the purpose of universities—to open minds. Which is exactly what MAGA doesn’t want to happen,” Nadel argues. 

“An assault on institutions of knowledge” 

American universities, like others across the Western world, face declining birthrates and fewer students. Many smaller institutions have already closed. The big prestige universities have so far survived by admitting more international students, whose tuition has helped keep budgets afloat. But that, too, is changing as borders tighten. 

And the problem is compounded by geography: most of the elite universities are in blue states, making them prime targets for Trump. 

Is there an overarching plan behind Trump-era attacks on academia? 

“The plan is to dismantle institutions that promote liberal values. That means universities and, museums—and also the federal civil service, which is our equivalent of the ‘Mandarin class.’ These are highly trained professionals, many educated at the same elite universities, the backbone of government. That’s what MAGA labels the ‘deep state.’” 

If that project succeeds, Nadel warns, America will become a less interesting country for the rest of the world—more like Argentina, where life can be lived but where the atmosphere is far from welcoming. 

“When is it too late to leave?” 

It’s why Lynn Nadel has no intention of living in the U.S. in the short term.

“I’m of Jewish descent. It’s hard not to think of Europe in the 1930s when I see what’s happening in America today. The choices Jewish families in Germany had to make … When is it too late to leave? People keep hoping, waiting as long as they can. Then something terrible happens, the doors close, and it’s too late. So my wife and I will stay away for a few years—at least until we see how things develop.”